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15 March 2009

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Sybil Vane

This sometimes mommy blogger is happy for the liminality of your space here. Partly because I know cocktail hour is more fun now hen there is something/one to quarantine than it was before there was anything for me to protect.

Pete

CG,
4 years? Wow, it seems like your blog is brand new and yet has been here forever. I mean this in best possible way. Your writing has kept me coming back again and again to read about whatever subject you write about.
Keep it up.
Pete

Paul Davis

Isn't the more interesting question why you want the little kiddies to be quiet and tidy, why you want them slumbering unaware upstairs, and why you think it will make/keep them happy?

chelsea g.

I'm sorry, Paul, but you're asking me whether I think it'll make my metaphoric children happy to be sleeping upstairs from a metaphoric cocktail party? Metaphorically, I'm going to say yes.

Yes, at the root of this issue is my contention that children do get too much freedom in this society. I understand that theories of child-raising work in pendulums, as do most other cultural forces. Right now, we're in a very big "Go Childhood!" mode. I don't believe that adults should bargain with very young children. I don't believe that adults should permit children to have access to many areas of their private lives. I do believe in that it's safer, better, and healthier for children to have boundaries. Should they be as strict as they tended to be in the 1950s? No, probably not. Should they be stricter than they are now? Well, yes.

And I think that part of the "Oh Noes! Won't someone think of the children!" culture is the laxness of these child-rearing limits. Children, I believe, need a lot of time to be children, and that means barring them access to adulthood. Of course, this idea is a tricky and difficult, and it frankly makes me very happy that I chose not to have children.

But, yeah, at the end of the day, I think kids are happier when they don't see their parents acting like the adults they are. I also think adults are happier when they can indulge their own mature behavior safely.

So, uh, there.

Paul Davis

CG, ever read Postman's The End of Childhood? He contends that childhood is primarily an invention of a literate culture - it takes a fairly substantive amount of time to become literate, and during that time there are secrets about the world that you do not have access to (historically, it takes between 7 and 14 years). In pre-literate cultures, Postman contends, there was really no special period identified as "childhood" - you were just a less capable person because of your size, physical development, experience etc. Once you add literature to the culture, and put important things in it, then there is the world of readers (and implicitly, writers), and then is the world of the illiterate, of whom children are a specific subset. Postman's perspective was that visual mediums like television have removed this barrier - when adult culture exists in a visual form, even young children can access it (not necessarily understand it as it was intended, but access it). I can't possibly do his thesis, evidence or writing justice in a blog comment, but I thoroughly recommend the book (and all his other books, of which there several).

As for boundaries, I can say as a parent who shares your perspective that its a problem. Annette Peacock said once "tradition is a static defense against a chaotic community", and this merely hints at the problems you encounter when you tear down tradition merely because its, well, old. When we (as a culture) began to remove a lot of the boundaries that had been used to fence in children's lives, we didn't give a lot of thought to the idea that some of them might actually serve some real purpose. Its a pretty difficult job to work out which ones, and its even worse when you're doing it on the fly, so to speak. Unfortunately, making that judgement is critical on an almost daily basis as a parent, and it was presumably a lot easier when there were apparent rules to follow. There isn't a day that passes when I don't regret the judgement call I made regarding one or more of my kids (14/17/19), not because it is going to screw them up, but just because I got it wrong by my own standards.

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